It was water not blood that David refused,wrong to him it was blood thats why he didnt drink it
Alex Williams
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Questions About the Watchtower's View on Blood Transfusions.
by Pallbearer ini admit to not being very well informed about the watchtower's view on blood transfusions.
i have a couple of questions that i hope someone here is able to answer.. i understand that the watchtower now considers it to be okay to receive blood fractions.. my first question is: are all fractions considered to be permissible?
and if not, specifically which fractions are not permissible?.
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Evolution - A Conversation with Alex Williams
by cofty inalex - thank you for your offer to have a conversation about evolution.. i accept the scientific evidence that all life - including humans - evolved from a common ancestor through unguided evolution over millions of years.
this isn't even a controversial position in the scientific community.. the evidence rests on the data from many interconnected fields including paleontology, comparative anatomy, geology and especially genetics.
it is no exaggeration to say that the evidence for your own non-human ancestry is contained in every cell in your body.. it is my experience that jws are generally quite ignorant (not in a pejorative sense) of the scientific case.
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Well my point from the beginning was probability,in order to have evolve takes in the process of abiogenesis ,youre not the only one reading this.we can get into species aspect but I want to show how unlikely evolution was or is .I continue,it is assumed that amino acids somehow reached the oceans and were protected from the destructive ultraviolet radiation in the atmosphere, what then? Hitching explained: “Beneath the surface of the water there would not be enough energy to activate further chemical reactions; water in any case inhibits the growth of more complex molecules.We are talking about the origin of life so this is relevant
Once amino acids are in the water, they must get out of it if they are to form larger molecules and evolve toward becoming proteins useful for the formation of life. But once they get out of the water, they are in the destructive ultraviolet light again! “In other words,” Hitching says, “the theoretical chances of getting through even this first and relatively easy stage [getting amino acids] in the evolution of life are forbidding.
Here is a problem you need to answer for evolution :
There are over 100 amino acids, but only 20 are needed for life’s proteins
They come in two shapes: Some of the molecules are “right-handed” and others are “left-handed.” Should they be formed at random, as in a theoretical organic soup, it is most likely that half would be right-handed and half left-handed.
There is no known reason why either shape should be preferred in living things. Yet, of the 20 amino acids used in producing life’s proteins, all are left-handed.
How can this be if all this soup evolved with out a designer behind it.How is it that, at random, only the specifically required kinds would be united in the soup?
John Desmond Bernal FRS was an Irish scientist who pioneered the use of X-ray crystallography in molecular biology. physicist known for his studies of the atomic structure of solid compounds, during which he made major contributions.
“It must be admitted that the explanation . . . still remains one of the most difficult parts of the structural aspects of life to explain.” He concluded: “We may never be able to explain it.”But to me to believe something it has to be explained such as evolution process for life to begin
What chance is there that the correct amino acids would come together to form a protein molecule? It could be likened to having a big, thoroughly mixed pile containing equal numbers of red beans and white beans. There are also over 100 different varieties of beans. Now, if you plunged a scoop into this pile, what do you think you would get? To get the beans that represent the basic components of a protein, you would have to scoop up only red ones—no white ones at all! Also, your scoop must contain only 20 varieties of the red beans, and each one must be in a specific, preassigned place in the scoop. In the world of protein, a single mistake in any one of these requirements would cause the protein that is produced to fail to function properly. Would any amount of stirring and scooping in our hypothetical bean pile have given the right combination? NOThen how would it have been possible in the hypothetical organic soup?
The proteins needed for life have very complex molecules. What is the chance of even a simple protein molecule forming at random in an organic soup?Evolutionists acknowledge it to be only one in 10113 (1 followed by 113 zeros). But any event that has one chance in just 1050 is dismissed by mathematicians as never happening. An idea of the odds, or probability, involved is seen in the fact that the number 10113 is larger than the estimated total number of all the atoms in the universe!
More difficult to obtain than these are nucleotides, the structural units of DNA, which bears the genetic code. Five histones are involved in DNA (histones are thought to be involved in governing the activity of genes). The chance of forming even the simplest of these histones is said to be one in 20100—another huge number “larger than the total of all the atoms in all the stars and galaxies visible in the largest astronomical telescopes.”
Evolutionary theory attempts to eliminate the need for the impossible to be accomplished “in one blow” by espousing a step-by-step process by which natural selection could do its work gradually. However, without the genetic code to begin reproduction, there can be no material for natural selection to select.
physicist H. S. Lipson, realizing the odds against a spontaneous origin for life, said: “The only acceptable explanation is creation. I know that this is anathema to physicists, as indeed it is to me, but we must not reject a theory that we do not like if the experimental evidence supports it.” He further observed that after Darwin’s book, The Origin of Species, “evolution became in a sense a scientific religion; almost all scientists have accepted it and many are prepared to ‘bend’ their observations to fit in with it.”
When confronted with the astronomical odds against a living cell forming by chance, some evolutionists feel forced to back away. For example, the authors of Evolution From Space (Hoyle and Wickramasinghe) give up, saying: “These issues are too complex to set numbers to.” They add: “There is no way . . . in which we can simply get by with a bigger and better organic soup, as we ourselves hoped might be possible a year or two ago. The numbers we calculated above are essentially just as unfaceable for a universal soup as for a terrestrial one. -
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Evolution - A Conversation with Alex Williams
by cofty inalex - thank you for your offer to have a conversation about evolution.. i accept the scientific evidence that all life - including humans - evolved from a common ancestor through unguided evolution over millions of years.
this isn't even a controversial position in the scientific community.. the evidence rests on the data from many interconnected fields including paleontology, comparative anatomy, geology and especially genetics.
it is no exaggeration to say that the evidence for your own non-human ancestry is contained in every cell in your body.. it is my experience that jws are generally quite ignorant (not in a pejorative sense) of the scientific case.
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Which should I believe whats taught here in school or the Bible? Consider the RNA molecule,Robert Shapiro, professor emeritus of chemistry at New York University says no nucleotides of any kind have been reported as products of spark-discharge experiments or in studies of meteorites.”3 He further states that the probability of a self-replicating RNA molecule randomly assembling from a pool of chemical building blocks “is so vanishingly small that its happening even once anywhere in the visible universe would count as a piece of exceptional good luck.
What about protein molecules? They can be made from as few as 50 or as many as several thousand amino acids bound together in a highly specific order. The average functional protein in a “simple” cell contains 200 amino acids. Even in those cells, there are thousands of different types of proteins. The probability that just one protein containing only 100 amino acids could ever randomly form on earth has been calculated to be about one chance in a million billion.A billion seconds is 31 years.A million hours ago was in 1885. so one chance in a million billion is not to be believed
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Do you believe in a Rapture that the Churches teach instead of living on earth forever
by Alex Williams inits taken from 1 thessalonians 4:13-17. now jesus compared the end to the days of noah .
but as the days of noah were, so shall also the coming of the son of man be.
why did he compare the two and does it give us a clue to which teaching is the right one?.
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Paul stated: “This I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom,
Upon dying in faithfulness during Christ’s presence, each one of the remnant of spiritual Israel instantaneously receives his heavenly reward. “In the twinkling of an eye,” he is resurrected as a spirit creature and “caught away” to meet Jesus and to serve as a coruler in the KingdomThis has nothing to do with a rapture at the end of the world
Paul added: “Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with the Lord.” (Verse 17) “The living” would be those alive during Christ’s presence. They would be “caught away” to meet the Lord Jesus. As in the case of faithful early Christians, death as a human is necessary for them to be united with Christ in heaven.
Thessalonians speaks of the resurrection hope not a rapture which word is not in the scriptures1 Thessalonians 4:17 as the basis for their belief. Let us examine this scripture in its context. Paul wrote:
“Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant concerning those who are sleeping in death; that you may not sorrow just as the rest also do who have no hope. For if our faith is that Jesus died and rose again, so, too, those who have fallen asleep in death through Jesus God will bring with him.
The congregation in Thessalonica was relatively new when Paul addressed his first letter to Christians there in about 50 C.E. Members of the congregation were distressed that some of their number were “sleeping in death.” However, what Paul wrote comforted the Thessalonians with the resurrection hope. -
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How did Adam and Eve survive when kicked out of the Garden of Eden?
by I believe in overlapping init’s funny how a simple question like this is something that the dubs never even consider.
my dad asked this question to a couple of witnesses and they wondered for a minute and said; .
“i never thought about it, i’ll have to ask the elders”.
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One thing I know about it deals with probability ,one bible Scholar put it this was its like placing the letters of the alphabet in a hat and on the first and only chance picking every letter from A to Z in secession ,thats the odds of evolution
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How did Adam and Eve survive when kicked out of the Garden of Eden?
by I believe in overlapping init’s funny how a simple question like this is something that the dubs never even consider.
my dad asked this question to a couple of witnesses and they wondered for a minute and said; .
“i never thought about it, i’ll have to ask the elders”.
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How familiar are you with the scientific evidence for evolution?
Would you be open-minded enough to discuss it?
Im not adapted at evolution belief, Im one of JWs minister but have access to any topic there is to refute that belief,so yes we can discuss it
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Questions About the Watchtower's View on Blood Transfusions.
by Pallbearer ini admit to not being very well informed about the watchtower's view on blood transfusions.
i have a couple of questions that i hope someone here is able to answer.. i understand that the watchtower now considers it to be okay to receive blood fractions.. my first question is: are all fractions considered to be permissible?
and if not, specifically which fractions are not permissible?.
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Alex Williams
David who was thirsty exclaimed he longed for water after being pinned down,his warriors heard that and fought to get water to David,but what did he do when they offered it to him?
New Living Translation
David remarked longingly to his men, “Oh, how I would love some of that good water from the well by the gate in Bethlehem.”New International Version
So the three mighty warriors broke through the Philistine lines, drew water from the well near the gate of Bethlehem and carried it back to David. But he refused to drink it; instead, he poured it out before the LORD.Why did he do this?
New American Standard Bible
and he said, "Be it far from me, O LORD, that I should do this. Shall I drink the blood of the men who went in jeopardy of their lives?" Therefore he would not drink it. These things the three mighty men did.So sometimes distinction, physically, ethically and morally are relevant
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Do you believe in a Rapture that the Churches teach instead of living on earth forever
by Alex Williams inits taken from 1 thessalonians 4:13-17. now jesus compared the end to the days of noah .
but as the days of noah were, so shall also the coming of the son of man be.
why did he compare the two and does it give us a clue to which teaching is the right one?.
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In simplistic terms if the comma in Luke 23:43 is that day the thief was to be with Jesus then why did Jesus tell Mary he had not yet ascended to the father,if fact he was on earth 40 days
John 20:17
"Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father
So days later he told the thief he would be with him had to be the day he was saying it not TODAY you will be in paradise makes no sense that teaching,it could have easily been I tell you today you will be with me and in view of the fact he didnt go anywhere JWs teaching makes more sense not the Churches
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Questions About the Watchtower's View on Blood Transfusions.
by Pallbearer ini admit to not being very well informed about the watchtower's view on blood transfusions.
i have a couple of questions that i hope someone here is able to answer.. i understand that the watchtower now considers it to be okay to receive blood fractions.. my first question is: are all fractions considered to be permissible?
and if not, specifically which fractions are not permissible?.
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Alex Williams
I do,as I stated and quoted from scripture after the flood God told Noah he could now eat meat and I said why God now allowed the killing of animals now for food where as before he didn't ,Blood is sacred to God ,he says the life is in the blood and in Israel without the shedding of blood sins could not be forgiven
New International Version
In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
New International Version
"But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.Whats the difference to taking a blood transfusion and just drinking blood ,believers are told to abstain from blood
Abstain ;
One is free to do what he wants in regards to things God forbids but will suffer the consequences in the end
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How did Adam and Eve survive when kicked out of the Garden of Eden?
by I believe in overlapping init’s funny how a simple question like this is something that the dubs never even consider.
my dad asked this question to a couple of witnesses and they wondered for a minute and said; .
“i never thought about it, i’ll have to ask the elders”.
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Someone knew we were coming then,think about oxygen someone knew we would need
air to live here.
a colorless, odorless reactive gas, the chemical element of atomic number 8 and the life-supporting component of the air.About a fifth of the air is made up of oxygen, and almost all the rest is nitrogen. Oxygen comes from plant photosynthesis where carbon dioxide is absorbed and oxygen is emitted.
Most of Earth's oxygen comes from tiny ocean plants – called phytoplankton – that live near the water's surface and drift with the currents.
In space, no one can hear you scream. This is because there is no air in space – it is a vacuum. Sound waves cannot travel through a vacuum.We needed heat and light so someone created our star which is our sun ,
200 billion suns are in the Milky Way galaxy alone. but ours just happned to be close enough to sustain life here but not too distance where we would freeze to death
The sun is about 93 million miles away from Earth If ... If Earth were closer to the sun, however, the oceans would boil away. and if farther we would not be able to live on earthSo with the amount of suns in the milky way this just so happened to be just where we needed it. Too many coincidences
for me to accept your beliefs